Brian Kurtz and Daryl Urbanski discussed the evolution of advertising from general to accountable, with Kurtz sharing his extensive experience in direct marketing and emphasizing the importance of innovation, creativity, and testing. Daryl Urbanski and Brian Kurtz highlighted the importance of list segmentation and personalization in marketing campaigns, while Urbanski and Jean Schwartz discussed the value of learning from legendary copywriters such as Halbert Schwartz, Ogilvy, and Claude Hopkins. 

Later, Urbanski and Brian Kurtz discussed productivity techniques, such as the Pomodoro Technique, and the importance of creating a supportive company culture that encourages employee growth and development.

Here are the reasons why you should listen to the full interview 

• Learn how to effectively apply the RFM formula in your direct marketing strategies.
• Discover the key influences behind Kurtz's marketing methodology with insights from his new book, "The Advertising Solution."
• Understand the enduring lessons gleaned from Gene Schwartz’s groundbreaking book, "Breakthrough Advertising."

Resources

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Brian Kurtz Interview Highlights

Direct marketing strategies with industry expert Brian Kurtz

• Brian Kurtz shares his 35-year career as a serial direct marketer with successes and failures.
• Brian is a legendary direct marketer with 35 years of experience.
• He aims to bridge the gap between direct and indirect response marketing.

Marketing tactics and the importance of list selection

• Brian shares insight on adapting marketing tactics in a rapidly changing technological landscape.
• Brian discusses 4040 20 rule in direct marketing, emphasizing importance of list, offer, and creative.
• Online marketer claims 4040 20 rule is dead, proposes 2525 2525 rule instead, focusing on creative and technology.

Marketing fundamentals vs technology

• Brian emphasizes importance of creative ideas over technology in advertising.
• Daryl Urbanski emphasizes the importance of continually improving a product based on feedback.
• Brian stresses the need to balance technology with fundamentals in business.

List segmentation and marketing strategies

• Brian emphasizes the importance of humility and playing big in business and personal growth.
• He shares his personal experiences of making mistakes and learning from them to help others avoid similar errors.
• Daryl Urbanski and Brian discuss list segmentation in marketing, with Urbanski emphasizing the importance of selecting the right lists for different customers.
• Urbanski shares his experience in the list business, including renting lists to various clients and learning the art of list segmentation.

Tailoring marketing messages to different segments of a list based on their characteristics and needs

• Brian emphasizes importance of tailoring marketing messages to different segments of a list.
• Affiliate marketing is used as an example of how different messaging can lead to better results.
• Brian emphasizes the importance of congruent marketing, aligning offers with the values and interests of one's audience.
• Offering a real estate investing program to a list primarily interested in personal development and spirituality can lead to unsubscribes.

List segmentation and customer retention strategies in email marketing.

• Daryl Urbanski and Brian discuss segmenting email lists based on factors such as purchase history and inquiry status.
• Brian suggests using the RFM formula in direct marketing to determine how to speak to different segments of a list.
• Brian explains RFM formula in direct marketing: recency, frequency, and monetary value.
• Brian uses statistical modeling to create buckets based on RFM criteria for a 9 million-name database.
• Brian emphasizes importance of segmenting email list based on transaction data, not demographic data.
• Ex-buyers are considered the best list, as they have already shown interest in the product or service.

Advertising and direct marketing with industry legends

• Daryl Urbanski emphasizes the importance of speaking to customers as humans, not just as data points.
• Brian credits mentors and predecessors for their knowledge and success in direct marketing.
• Brian discusses how they got involved in writing a book about advertising legends, despite initial reservations about the title.
• Brian highlights the significance of the book's focus on accountable advertising and the importance of measuring ad effectiveness.

Marketing legends and their impact on modern advertising

• Eugene Schwartz, Gary Halbert, Claude Hopkins, John Caples, Robert Collier, and David Ogilvy are considered legends in the field of advertising.
• These individuals have made significant contributions to the industry, including developing new techniques and approaches to advertising.
• The book "The Six Figure Copywriter" features insights from six legendary copywriters, including Halbert Schwartz and Ogilvy.
• The book includes a bonus package with a swipe file of the copywriters' greatest ads, rare videos, and an annotated version of Scientific Advertising.

Marketing classics and their relevance today.

• Daryl Urbanski highlights the value of reading classic marketing books and using them as a swipe file.
• Daryl Urbanski highlights the importance of legends in marketing, citing mentors like Ken McCarthy and Jay Abraham.

The importance of books and learning from successful people.

• Daryl Urbanski shares his personal experience with the power of books to change lives.
• Urbanski emphasizes the importance of knowledge and education in business success.
• Daryl Urbanski highlights the relevance of Jean Schwartz's book "Breakthrough Advertising" (1966) in understanding human behavior, despite its age.

Productivity techniques for entrepreneurs and copywriters.

• Brian shares insights on the power of reading for world-class copywriting and marketing.
• Daryl Urbanski shares his productivity tips, including the Pomodoro Technique (25 minutes of focused work followed by a 5-minute break) and setting aside dedicated time for work each day.
• Urbanski finds that using the Pomodoro Technique helps him avoid distractions and be more realistic about what he can accomplish in a day, liberating him from feeling like he needs to work long hours to be productive.

Marketing strategies and personalized approaches.

• Daryl Urbanski praises Brian's ability to understand and cater to his audience, particularly women, by providing valuable insights and resources.
• Brian acknowledges and addresses the lack of female speakers at the event, showing empathy and taking action to include them in the conversation.
• Brian discussed their experience with marketing and how it relates to their book and event.
• Brian mentioned the importance of addressing the elephant in the room when writing copy.

Team building, leadership, and idea implementation.

• Marty Eddleston and Peter Drucker developed iPower to address meeting challenges, emphasizing employee stake and ownership.
• Brian emphasizes the importance of encouraging and valuing employees' ideas, citing examples of successful innovation.
• Brian believes that entrepreneurs often struggle to accept a second "Rainmaker" in their organization, but it's crucial for long-term growth.

Employee-centric leadership and personal growth.

• Daryl Urbanski emphasizes the importance of investing in employees and creating a culture of continuous improvement.
• He encourages everyone to come to meetings with at least two ideas to improve the company, and rewards are given for implemented ideas.
• Brian Kurtz offers to send copies of his book "iPower" to the first 20 people who email him at [email protected] with proof of purchase.
• Daryl Urbanski and Brian Kurtz discuss their respective journeys and accomplishments, with Daryl expressing gratitude for Brian's generosity and support.
• Daryl Urbanski and Brian discuss the importance of taking action to achieve goals.
• Brian shares their struggles with implementing changes in their business.

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